The number of notes on that post advocating to not pursue an impeachment of Trump due to Pence is actually horrifying.
1. Pence is running things anyway. Showing the public the man behind the curtain is quite crucial. Remember, when Trump offered vp to Kasich, he told him he’d be in charge of both domestic and foreign affairs.
2. Trump’s temperament is likely to have extremely negative geopolitical consequences in a way that Pence’s wouldn’t. Who do you see as more likely to engage in a ground war along with Russia? Trump already talked about invading Iraq again. And this isn’t touching the nuclear arsenal thing.
3. Pence is not popular in Congress at all. A republican who is hugely hated in Indiana does not really have a ton of political capital, especially since he tanked their economy. A lot of the reason GOP swung to Trump late is because *he* was the charismatic face that was creating this supposed populist “movement” (the marches sort of knocked the wind out of that a little). It’s Trump that is being held up, and it’s Trump specifically the neonazis are looking towards (Bannon wrote his fucking inaugural address). We need Trump, the man, to go ASAP for that reason.
Pence will be our worst president, but he’ll be survivable, he’ll have no chance at reelection, and seeing as he’s already most definitely the one driving policy (Dep of Ed pick was his, almost without question, for instance), we at least need to have that recognized so he can be held accountable.
Pence is not the “real Hitler.” Authoritarian movements prop up one person. In this case it was Trump. The MAGA hats have jack-all to do with Pence, and exceedingly little to do with policy. Which is why Trump, specifically, is the threat to our democracy.
it BLOWS MY MIND to see y’all pretend pence represents even half the danger of trump. pence is a by-the-book, lab-created tea party facebook meme republican, which is by no means good, but still entirely capable of making sure the nation doesn’t start a fucking nuclear holocaust because he’s upset about the way his thighs look in a press photo
This is the first post to have genuinely convinced me of this viewpoint. Hoo boy. I wasn’t able to form a definite opinion until now but fffff holy shit.
Ditto above
Also if the Republican whom they were all so quick to luck the boots of is impeached, it would definitely have a chilling effect on the crazier policy that they’ve been trying to shove through. Pence is awful but I believe he would be constrained, since he was “barely elected”.
The key here is that AMERICA can survive AS A DEMOCRACY with Pence as president. Would he do a lot of damage? Oh my god, yes. He absolutely would. But would we still have freedom of assembly, press, religion, information, and elections? Yeah. Yeah we would. And IDK you guys. At this point I’m more concerned about that than his terrible policies because his policies are going to go through ANYWAY. At least with Pence as president, we’d have a country to repair in 2018/2020. I’m not so sure we will with Trump in charge.
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